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So now that the Kitchenaid Pro has gone back to “direct-drive all steel gears”, does that make it more worthy to buy? I know that many in this forum have complained about the plastic gears, but at least on the Kitchenaid website, it appears that the gears are metal.
It also appears that the Pro sold on Amazon has the same metal gears model as well. From what I can tell, the William-Sonoma Pro is still the old plastic gears. It is a durable metal machine with solid steel gears, an industrial strength motor and no plastic in sight.
I was mixing stollen dough 2 days ago and I could tell my 1 year old Pro is about ready to die. The gear head was getting hot, making awful noises, and smelling bad.
I guess this should be too surprising because the first time I turned the mixer on after buying it it sounded like it had a gear box full of sand. After explaining that he only mixes soft dough and only runs it in speed 2 with the dough spiral as they recommend, they told him it was his fault because he was using it for a recipe that wasn’t in the KitchenAid cookbook that came with the mixer. He couldn’t believe his ears and asked them if they were serious, and they said they did NOT recommend using the KitchhenAid mixer for any recipe that was not in the book supplied with the mixer.
It won’t knead the dough at all unless you have quite a bit of dough in the bowl. This is particularly true for rye dough. I’m going to start looking for another option. I wish I had room for a mixer dedicated just to dough.
My 17 year old KA is sounding tired and starting to leak gear oil where the mixing shaft comes out, so my wife just bought me a Pro for Christmas.
My first impressions are good. The gears were ‘slightly’ noise out of the box, but quieted down within seconds. Since this IS Alaska, I figured it had cold lube in it As usual for all KA’s, I did have to adjust the bowl all the way up in order to get the whisk and flat beater closer to the bottom of the bowl.
I’m not sure why, but KA is always very conservative in their factory adjustment of bowl height, but the instruction manual clearly indicates that as long as the paddle or whisk do not touch the bowl, then you are fine. The first thing it got used for was the Harvey Wallbanger cake recipe at King Arthur’s web site and I was impressed that the mixer did a better job producing the batter than my old KA, but I notice that the flat beater now has an additional ‘branch’ running across the middle, so maybe that’s it?
Next, I made a 7-cup whole wheat sandwich bread recipe using the flat blade for initial mixing, then switching to the dough hook when the dough was starting to gather up a bit. The spiral dough hook kept the dough in the bowl rather than letting it climb up the shaft like the old one always did and I didn’t have to intervene at all.
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The machine kneaded the dough as though it wasn’t even there using speed 2 all the time. The manual stated that most doughs are fully kneaded in only about 4 minutes I checked at 4 minutes and the dough was a silky smooth ball of dough, much better than I’d get 15110 hand unless using time and folds rather than kneading.
I would say that so far, the Pro seems great. Worked great for me so far, zero hesitation when it comes to power, and it ran fairly 51101 I’m looking forward to baking a large batch of rye bread so I can see how it does with a stiff rye dough From reading the comments on this site and others it seems that new KitchenAid mixers are a real gamble.
Maybe you will get a good one and maybe you will not. I like better odds than that for the cost involved in a mixer. The manual elexx 14 cups, max, but doesn’t say whole wheat, rye, or what. I always take maximums with a grain of salt haha and will likely wlex push it past maybe cups, and a recipe that size won’t be a stiff rye one.
IF my wife read my mind more accurately prior to buying a surprise gift for me, she’d have eelex “Electrolux DLX” She loved me enough to go buy what she honestly believed was the best available. I have been pleasantly surprised by the machine so far so I won’t complain until the machine proves itself worthy of complaint and I don’t sense that kind of experience coming. Plus, we have a bunch of KA leex that still work for us since we stayed with the same brand.
A switch to some other brand would’ve meant a lot more eled involved than just the difference in mixer prices. I’ll give the machine a fair chance and hope for the best.
I get the feeling that KA has heard the consumer complaints and is making an effort to return to the good ol’ Hobart days.
I’ll let them have that chance I never complain about a company trying to turn things towards higher quality. It sure beats all the change in the opposite direction I’ll admit it is my first stand mixer and I have only had it 10 days 10 days of non stop use I must add Everyone in the family loves it. I am enthralled and motivated to consider making things I never have before.
I researched awhile before going with this. Got it from pleasantgrainmill. I ruled out KitchenAid for reasons mentioned above and many many bad reviews I read. She doesn’t bake breads though. You need to know what you will be doing with it. A KitchenAid just doesn’t seem to hold up to regularly kneading heavy, stiff dough, but if you are going to be using it for a variety of jobs cakes, cookies, challah and basic bread kneading it probably fits the bill.
A Pro holds a lot of flour 14 cups – around 5lbs. I have an Artisan that I use every day. I have a Pro in the garage, it’s just too big to keep around for the once a week jobs it could do. The Artisan is only two years old and it’s holding up fine, but I don’t overwork it. For large jobs, I use my hands.
My feeling is that a Bosch or DLX would be the choice for a serious bread baker who doesn’t plan to use it often for other jobs. Or an addition to the smaller Artisan – I’d like one someday!
Comparing costs is different, the Artisan can handle a lot and doesn’t cost nearly what the others do. I see it as a good compromise. Maybe a stepping stone to the costlier machine for someone who is beginning with bread baking. I just found this at appliance.
After years of use out of my little KA Artisan bought in the 80’s I finally felt the need to upgrade as I was baking larger batches of bread.
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I bought the KA pro as it was the largest capacity widely available at the time. Initially it seemed unbelievably loud from the noisy gears and it never quieted down. I had several times where the mixer shut down due to overheating when making successive batches of sourdough breads never exceeding stated capacity.
Sure enough, the part of the machine designed to hold the all-metal gears is a big block of plastic, and in my case, it had a big crack in it and was actually leaking oil in small amounts from this crack. What good is all metal gears if you mount them in plastic?
Plastic anywhere in this highly stressed machine is going to be the weak link. I retired the KA after just over two years of medium use and now have a Cuisinart 7 qt. Unfortunately, I don’t like this mixer all that much either.
I will no doubt still be searching for the right mixer for me. Find your item at the Amazon site and check to see if rebate is offered, and check the buying period. You may find a link to the rebate form. I also see where they may have offered online rebate processing for some items.
If so, you should find the link to file online near the link to the pdf:. However you claim, you will definitely need your purchase documentation. Although it’s usually pretty easy to recover needed documentation from amazon. I guess I’m still confused, but this is helpful nevertheless.
My original query was an attempt to ascertain whether all the complaints I’ve seen here and elsewhere about KitchenAid were primarily directed at the older machines with plastic gears; and whether, now that they are making all metal gears, these complaints no longer apply.
If that is the case, then I’d be inclined to get KitchenAid Pro if only because I’ve always had one albeit hobart era and I’ve been happy with it.
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It is slowly succumbing though. I tend to bake loaves per week, in loaf batches, depending on what I’m doing; generally sourdough, multi-grain, usually using recipes from Leader, Reinhartz, Hamelman; I rarely double the amounts, so I’m probably using anywhere from cups of flour rye, whole grain, white, etc dep on the bread.
With my old machine the dough often climbs up the spiral, and I was thinking it would be nice to have the larger, more powerful machine ha, mine is watts, hard to believe we used to elxe that was state of the art.
If you’re only using the mixer to mix, rather than also do all the kneading, then most any brand would likely work fine as long as you don’t go too cheap. You might want to google on just the KA Pro when you go out looking for complaints. That would narrow the responses to just what’s applicable But it’s that busy time of year again As far as dough climbing up the dough hook, my old style dough hook did that, but on the 6 to 7 cup recipes that I’ve made so far, there was no tendency to climb.
The dough sort of rises up, then looks like it’s dividing into 3 parts, then the middle flops over and gets kneaded back in The spiral turns in the direction that would force dough down, not up. Seems as if the Bosch is as affordable as the KA at that rate and would be a better bet for baking bread as well as much easier to move around and store. Another plus is that the new Bosch has suckers on the base so it doesn’t walk around when you use it at high speed.
Since i know my own mixer is on last legs, would be better to have new machine in place, ready to go. We just got back from Paris, so I’ve spent all week trying to replicate the breads at Eric Kayser and others, hmm, should have brought flour home with me!! Probably wasn’t the first, and probably won’t be the last time for the offer. Of course, that is assuming no one is mistaken about the facts details of the deal.
I’ve got a KA Pro, and am just starting to get into bread making.